Hi Everyone,
We plan to launch around 7000 (just for reference) simple UGC (User Generated content) WordPress websites as follows:
- All sites will be Word Press. Majority of the sites are going to be using same/similar UGC driven simple and fast theme design. Nothing complex.
- All 7000 sites will be independent and have unique domain names.
- We plan to manage the sites using MainWP plugin (which I believe needs it's own unique hosting)
- All sites will use Blocksy Theme, along with Stackable. Both Blocksy and Stackable will be Pro/Premium versions for unlimited domains/sites use. In additional, all sites will have Users posting content via Front End (using plugin like Gravity Forms or WP Form or some other suitable Front End posting plugin)
- Currently all domains are un-developed and only get about 7000 unique visitors/day. I guess Bandwidth/transfer usage is not a big issue in the beginning.
- Each site is independent/unique (we are NOT using WP Multisite because we may sell a domain or a site occasionally so want to keep all sites individual so no problem if selling any site in future)
- It appears we may need a huge Storage capacity to host all 7000 sites (storage needs will even increase further once the sites get traction in future and users start posting content such as posts, articles, links, pics, videos, reviews, etc).
Looking for guidance/suggestions on:
- How/Where to host MainWP plugin? How to ensure proper remote backups? What hosting specs we need?
- How/Where to host all 7000 WP websites as detailed above? How to ensure proper remote backups/security? What hosting specs we need (storage, bandwidth/transfer/backups, etc)?
- Do we need TWO different hosts (one for MainWP to manage all sites, & the one for all the sites)?
- Looking for solutions where we don't have to do server/hosting management ourself.
Please recommend solution that is most suitable for our situation, economical, secure, and scalable.
What kind cost are we looking at to run this many low traffic sites?
All your suggestions/recommendations are highly appreciated.
Thank you so much.
We plan to launch around 7000 (just for reference) simple UGC (User Generated content) WordPress websites as follows:
- All sites will be Word Press. Majority of the sites are going to be using same/similar UGC driven simple and fast theme design. Nothing complex.
- All 7000 sites will be independent and have unique domain names.
- We plan to manage the sites using MainWP plugin (which I believe needs it's own unique hosting)
- All sites will use Blocksy Theme, along with Stackable. Both Blocksy and Stackable will be Pro/Premium versions for unlimited domains/sites use. In additional, all sites will have Users posting content via Front End (using plugin like Gravity Forms or WP Form or some other suitable Front End posting plugin)
- Currently all domains are un-developed and only get about 7000 unique visitors/day. I guess Bandwidth/transfer usage is not a big issue in the beginning.
- Each site is independent/unique (we are NOT using WP Multisite because we may sell a domain or a site occasionally so want to keep all sites individual so no problem if selling any site in future)
- It appears we may need a huge Storage capacity to host all 7000 sites (storage needs will even increase further once the sites get traction in future and users start posting content such as posts, articles, links, pics, videos, reviews, etc).
Looking for guidance/suggestions on:
- How/Where to host MainWP plugin? How to ensure proper remote backups? What hosting specs we need?
- How/Where to host all 7000 WP websites as detailed above? How to ensure proper remote backups/security? What hosting specs we need (storage, bandwidth/transfer/backups, etc)?
- Do we need TWO different hosts (one for MainWP to manage all sites, & the one for all the sites)?
- Looking for solutions where we don't have to do server/hosting management ourself.
Please recommend solution that is most suitable for our situation, economical, secure, and scalable.
What kind cost are we looking at to run this many low traffic sites?
All your suggestions/recommendations are highly appreciated.
Thank you so much.
I would recommend to even start with a VPS and then as traffic grows you can migrate to Dedicated server.
With these many number of sites you might hit the Inodes limit if you are looking for Shared hosting. Many providers offer unlimited disk space but do have a limitation on Inodes.
There is a way to configure your WordPress install to use a separate wp-config.php and wp-content directory for each site but place the other WordPress files in a common directory and include it whenever you need. This way you will use a much lower inode count and WordPress core could be updated easily. As you mentioned you are not technical so you can ask your hosting provider if they can assist you with this setup.
For the MainWP, as far as I know it does not offer hosting it just offers a software to manage multiple sites in a single dashboard and it does not have any special hosting requirements. You can simply connect the sites while hosting them anywhere.
With these many number of sites you might hit the Inodes limit if you are looking for Shared hosting. Many providers offer unlimited disk space but do have a limitation on Inodes.
There is a way to configure your WordPress install to use a separate wp-config.php and wp-content directory for each site but place the other WordPress files in a common directory and include it whenever you need. This way you will use a much lower inode count and WordPress core could be updated easily. As you mentioned you are not technical so you can ask your hosting provider if they can assist you with this setup.
For the MainWP, as far as I know it does not offer hosting it just offers a software to manage multiple sites in a single dashboard and it does not have any special hosting requirements. You can simply connect the sites while hosting them anywhere.
Thank you, I will check in to those WP Multisite plugins that help you extract individual sites. So far, two main ones (All-in-One WP Migration + Multisite Extension) and Duplicator Pro plugin......they both restrict even the pro versions to 50 to 100 sites max license.
It would be unlikely you would be transferring thousands of sites at once and so those Plugins would do the job fine.
If the sites are all going to be reasonably low traffic to start off with then a couple of VPS servers running on KVM for dedicated resources would do the job. you could always upgrade to dedicated servers when the need arises.
To save on licensing Direct Admin would do the job for a control panel that way you can save on license cost. You didn't mention the location for the audience for these sites but you could always use a CDN to assist with distributing content globablly.
But you would need some sort of managed server as shared hosting won't really work for this project.
You would outgrow reseller hosting pretty quickly.
I just checked Prime Mover, it seems to be the best out of them all going by user reviews. It does have unlimited sites lifetime license for $630 one-time pay. I will look in to it. Thanks.
Yes, it worth looking around and doing some testing to determine which plugin works best. For example, I could see any size restrictions on the free version of this one: https://wordpress.org/plugins/prime-mover/
Thank you, I will check in to those WP Multisite plugins that help you extract individual sites. So far, two main ones (All-in-One WP Migration + Multisite Extension) and Duplicator Pro plugin......they both restrict even the pro versions to 50 to 100 sites max license.
wordpress.com is built on WordPress Multi-site. And it has at least a million websites, I would hazard to guess. And a significant percentage of those have their own domain name.
So, the technology is sure up to "lots of sites" on a single WordPress Multi-site.
As for selling off a website, and separating it from Multi-Site, that was easy nearly a decade ago when I last tried it, and did it by hand. Now there are well-supported WordPress plugins that will do this for you.
Not being a party to how WordPress.com is implemented, I cannot say how many is too many when it comes to the number of websites on a single WordPress Multi-site.
So, the technology is sure up to "lots of sites" on a single WordPress Multi-site.
As for selling off a website, and separating it from Multi-Site, that was easy nearly a decade ago when I last tried it, and did it by hand. Now there are well-supported WordPress plugins that will do this for you.
Not being a party to how WordPress.com is implemented, I cannot say how many is too many when it comes to the number of websites on a single WordPress Multi-site.
Well MainWP seems to be a fine solution if you want to use all its capabilities. If you plan on hosting those WordPress sites and then eventually moving them/selling them why don't you go with a VPS with the needed resources and also with a cPanel/WHM license? If you wish you can also opt out for the WP Squared which is specifically designed for WordPress websites. By using the WP Toolkit you can monitor all wordpress installations for both.
It all depends on how technical you want to be, i would recommend to discuss your needs with your service provider and ensure that they can assist you on a semi-managed or fully managed option. I would go for a VPS with the option to upgrade as you can find cheap VPS Packages, not that Dedicated Servers are too much to rent these days.
The only burier here is the space on the storage, you need to be very careful about this and pre-calculate your needs as its not only the hosting of a wordpress installation but also DB Sizes and Email Sizes if you plan on hosting Email Services for each of those accounts.
It all depends on how technical you want to be, i would recommend to discuss your needs with your service provider and ensure that they can assist you on a semi-managed or fully managed option. I would go for a VPS with the option to upgrade as you can find cheap VPS Packages, not that Dedicated Servers are too much to rent these days.
The only burier here is the space on the storage, you need to be very careful about this and pre-calculate your needs as its not only the hosting of a wordpress installation but also DB Sizes and Email Sizes if you plan on hosting Email Services for each of those accounts.
With this many sites (and files), you will likely hit many technical limitations if you try to host them all under a single account, whether cPanel, DirectAdmin, or another control panel. Most control panels aren't even tested with this many sites on one account.
While it may sound like technically possible, many software (Softaculous or WP-Toolkit, for example), and routine tasks performed by the server will be severely impacted, making it almost impossible to manage the sites if you host them on a single account.
Ideally, you would want a dedicated server and spread the sites across multiple hosting accounts (cPanel/DirectAdmin accounts). In that case, you can use another account on the same server or a VPS to host MainWP.
While it may sound like technically possible, many software (Softaculous or WP-Toolkit, for example), and routine tasks performed by the server will be severely impacted, making it almost impossible to manage the sites if you host them on a single account.
Ideally, you would want a dedicated server and spread the sites across multiple hosting accounts (cPanel/DirectAdmin accounts). In that case, you can use another account on the same server or a VPS to host MainWP.
I had assumed that you planned to use Multisite: https://developer.wordpress.org/adva...reate-network/
The problem with WordPress Multisite is that you can't keep each domain/site independent. If we sell a domain or site later, there's no possible way to transfer that specific site to the buyer if we use WP Multisite. We can just sell domain only without anysite/content.
I had assumed that you planned to use Multisite: https://developer.wordpress.org/adva...reate-network/
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